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 Post subject: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in Syria
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:06 pm 
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I wrote about this a few weeks ago. It was hotly contested in the political sphere and divided opinions.

What do you brothers think?

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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:06 pm 
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Yes, I support a Humanitarian Intervention without delay invoking responsibility to protect r2p, giving the middle finger to both China and Russia and possibly India. Here is what they should do:

- declare that Turkey is going in with full support of Nato and OIC
- start organizing the defected soldiers from Syrian Army and making them into a guerrilla forward force, with arms and ammunition and support bases within Turkish border, Jordan and Sunni areas in Iraq with logistical support from US army there
- train Syrian volunteers and distribute arms and ammunition, specially anti tank RPG's among them so they can resist the Syrian forces and prevent atrocities
- Turkish air force can start bombing Syrian army installations and establish a no-fly zone to disrupt Iranian supply into Syria or Lebanon
- A Naval blockade has to be established on Syrian coast line
- border with Lebanon has to be secured so Hezbollah cannot provide men and material and logistics supply from Iran
- Turkey can also recruit soldiers from other Muslim countries, such as Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. and get funding from GCC and NATO countries for the war effort
- instead of Karabag, I think this is the greatest opportunity to showcase Turkish technology, Military and diplomatic power for a good cause, which is to save innocent human lives from murderers and thugs
- it will be best if Syrian Army defectors and volunteer army can bring down the Syrian regime with Turkish air, navy and logistical support, but if needed Turkish Army and Marines should move in with heavy artillery support while Syrian irregulars and possibly other Muslim country soldiers are in the front line

While Turkey is doing all this, I think Qaddafi should also be put out of his misery with a quick sweep from the Egyptian and Tunisian army.

That is just one Bangladeshi man's opinion, however. Hope to hear the Turkish point of view.


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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:31 am 
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We have internal problems,first focus on that.I dont think its the right time for Turkey to do something except humanitairian help.


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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:31 pm 
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I don't agree that Turkey has significant internal problems, Turkish Army is quite capable to easily enforce stop of hostilities in Syria.

If Turkey will not be able to act on events happening in its neighborhood it can forget it's bid to become major regional power. Middle of August we will probably see enough international opinion buildup to start reacting on the situation in Syria. Esad was just lucky to hit Hama for the second time hard at the time when USA was too busy with the debt increase crisis and Turkey had Military High Council meeting.


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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:54 pm 
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Yes, Turkey should act to save lives. And remove those dogs from Damascus.


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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:56 pm 
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Nothing is going to happen untill Russia and China agree with the rest of the UNcouncil.


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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:12 am 
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Brother 123456, Russia, China and other nations in UN Security Council have finally agreed to a condemnation of the Syrian regime, after a lot of foot dragging. Please note the info below, I think the Turkish Generals may have chosen a very bad time for their resignations.

http://www.debka.com/article/21169/
Assad's tanks blast all of northern Syria day after 150 die in two cities
DEBKAfile Special Report August 1, 2011, 8:41 AM (GMT+02:00)
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Aug. 1, undeterred by international condemnation, President Bashar Assad broadened his bloody tank assault to all of northern Syria – a 20,000 square kilometer area almost the size of Israel. He is now waging war on the 3.5 million inhabitants of Hama, Deir al-Zour, Homs, Idlib and Ar-Raqqah, followed by Abu Kemal on the Iraqi border, after inflicting a one-day death toll Sunday of 150 – 120 in Hama, 30 in Deir el-Zur - and leaving more than 1,000 injured.
Syrian armored forces shooting at random are now running into heavy resistance: Awaiting them are anti-tank traps and fortified barriers manned by protesters armed with heavy machine guns.
In Hama Sunday, the 4th and 11th Syrian army divisions kept to the southern and western districts and were still fighting their way to the barricaded center early Monday. DEBKAfile's military sources estimate it will take the Syrian army at least ten more days to conquer this key town of a million inhabitants – provided the army holds up.
However, signs of extensive disintegration emerged Sunday night and early Monday: A Syrian armored division ordered to set out for Damascus from its base in Qatana southwest of the capital broke up when most of its officers and men deserted, taking with them their armored vehicles and weapons.
This was the first time in the five-month conflict that an entire armored column has fallen back from an operational mission.
Our military sources report urgent White House requests Sunday night to Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan to send into northern Syria the Turkish units held ready on the border for two months to establish a protected zone for refugees and the growing number of Syrian army deserters seeking asylum. Operational plans for this incursion had been in place for some weeks, ready for execution as soon Assad launched a general offensive against the opposition.
The plan is now up in the air, placed in doubt by the grave crisis between the prime minister and the Turkish command, which peaked last Thursday (July 28) when the entire Turkish high command, including the chief of staff resigned in a body.
This development certainly helped Assad decide now on his crushing offensive in northern Syria.



http://www.debka.com/article/21176/
The Orontes River runs red as Syrian anti-aircraft guns pound Hama
DEBKAfile Special Report August 4, 2011, 10:51 AM (GMT+02:00)
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2. The crisis between the Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan and the army after the entire top command resigned in a body, which Assad expected would preoccupy all the decision-making levels in Ankara to the exclusion of Syria. He counted on no one in authority venturing to order the Turkish units poised on the Syrian border for weeks to cross into northern Syria and establish a buffer zone there to ease the siege on Hama and other towns.


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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:53 am 
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Dear Brothers and fellow forum members, today I have a heavy heart. Many Syrians are loosing their lives in front of Assad's tanks. I just want to share a few words:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
In the Book of Proverbs (Mishlai), King Solomon stated that the Lord specifically regards "six things the Lord hateth, and the seventh His soul detesteth." namely:[4]
A proud look.
A lying tongue.
Hands that shed innocent blood.
A heart that devises wicked plots.
Feet that are swift to run into mischief.
A deceitful witness that uttereth lies.
Him that soweth discord among brethren.

Note no. 7 above, Him that soweth discord among brethren, His soul detesteth. It is the Cardinal Sin of Arabs that they betrayed the Ottoman, the Ottoman that looked after them for 500 years, so they must pay for it, sons must pay for their fathers sins, one cannot escape. So it is in the subcontinent or South Asia, whatever you like to call it, we must pay for our sins for eternity till we find some other way, because we blundered in 1947 to go for Partition of British India.

Also, note who is trying to help the killers, Russia, China, India, Brazil and South Africa, all so called BRIC countries.

The West has a good heart, but some still are maintaining relationship with this regime.

This shows that if we fail to take care of ourselves, it is not others responsibility to help when some of us get in trouble and need help. We must learn to take care of our own, no matter how much of a sinner some of us are, because someday our heart might find remorse for the mistakes we and our ancestors have made.

We should keep the people of Hama in our mind today, as they try to save themselves and remember that we also could be in that situation some day.


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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:08 am 
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Brother,why doesnt the west do something like in Libya?Turkey cant act on his own and if,what should Turkey do in your eyes?


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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:47 am 
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Brother 123456, as the Assad regime is escalating its massacre, the price of freedom from tyranny paid in units of 1000 lives is increasing everyday, so is global outrage and Arab streets outrage, which is forcing the Arab league and Arab rulers to start breaking off with Assad. Saudi Arabia has just withdrawn ambassador, following Qatar. It is reaching a point of climax when there will be a global and regional support/consensus for the start of an insurgency against this regime, starting with defected soldiers and volunteers trained and equipped in camps inside Turkey and Jordan. So GCC rulers along with NATO nations may start working together with Turkey and Jordan to help with this insurgency war. But the starting point is not here yet, I would say it will take 1-2 more months. By this time, except for Iran and Lebanon, all other embassy staff will be out of Damascus, which will indicate the formal starting point of the war.

I am sure Turkish Defence Intelligence and high level officials and diplomats are much more aware of whats actually going on, on the ground.

I am just a one man show with a really sensitive antenna to catch vibes and make advance prediction, just from the news and bits and pieces I hear in other forums. We will see how it actually turns out.

I think Turkish Armed forces involvement will be needed much later, once the insurgency is able to get a handle on resisting the Assad regime, may be 6 months to 1-2 years later, depending on how well Iranians can continue to provide support and prop up this regime. At a moment of desperation, Iranian regime may ask Hezbollah to attack Israel to create diversion and distraction, when they see that they are failing against a Syrian people's insurgency.

My earlier prediction about Turkish incursion was premature and wrong, also I have learned to become more hardened and not get emotionally involved with the victims of massacre. When we do that, we loose objectivity and professionalism.


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