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The death of the west
19 November 2010 România libera Bucharest

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The NATO summit to be held in Lisbon on 19 and 20 November will be marked by the rise of Russian influence in the alliance. A Romanian editorialist highlights the vital importance of the link between Eastern Europe and Washington.

Cristian Câmpeanu
Romanians should get used to the idea of living in a Europe where NATO will no be longer able to guarantee their security. The Paris-Berlin-Moscow axis has left us with only one option: the United States.

Hello and welcome to the 19th century! From now on — now being the first day of the "historic" NATO summit in Lisbon — we will be living in a new historic reality and a new geopolitical era. The summit is "historic," but not for the reasons cited by NATO officials and political leaders.

It is not a question — as promised in the promotional literature for the event — of inaugurating a more efficient and flexible alliance, but of official recognition for the death of the strategic and military concept of the “West,” and the transformation of NATO into an EU-Russian political club, with the United States as an associate member.

The “problem” of Russia
It is a development that was in many ways inevitable. The disappearance of the Cold War enemy in the shape of the Soviet Union made NATO a victim of its own success. The wars in the Balkans highlighted Europe’s military weakness, and the war in Afghanistan created a rift between the US and its European allies. Their inability to make a significant contribution to victory over the Taliban or to the stabilisation of the country, and the fact that some members of the alliance seemed to be incapable of joining in the fight while others were forced to take most of the casualties, resulted in the gradual crumbling of the alliance.

Some commentators have remarked on the historical irony of the fact that NATO should perish in Afghanistan, a country that was also responsible for the demise of the Soviet Union. But in so doing, they overlook the role played by Iraq, which triggered the first real crisis of the “West.”

Then there is also the “problem” of Russia. The arrival of Vladimir Putin and his team of former KGB operatives in the Kremlin wiped out whatever small progress Boris Yeltsin had made in terms of democracy and the rule of law. In spite of all this, Western countries have turned a blind eye to abuses and the closing of Russian society in exchange for access to natural gas and cheap raw materials. And this has resulted in a widening rift between NATO allies that came to the fore at the 2008 Bucharest summit when Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy both fought tooth and nail to defend the status quo, and reject the Membership Action Plans (MAP) of the Ukraine and Georgia — a position that amounted to an implicit recognition of Russia’s right to a veto in NATO affairs. Only a few months later, the invasion of Georgia heralded a de facto return to the 19th-century world of spheres of influence and the Concert of Europe, which had previously been wiped out by the massacre that was the First World War.

Americans are not going to disappear

The return to this world order will be made official tomorrow by the invitation extended to Russia to participate in the anti-missile shield. A study recently published by the European Council on Foreign Relations already speaks of the new architeture of European security that will be determined within the framework of a trilateral dialogue between the EU, Russia and Turkey. NATO does not enter into the equation. But the EU does not really mean Europe’s 27 member states. Merkel made promises about European policy to Medvedev without consulting her European partners, and there is no denying the symbolic importance of the Russian President’s refusal to accept an invitation to the Lisbon summit addressed to him by the General Secretary of NATO, before finally agreeing to turn up on the behest of Sarkozy and Merkel.

Of course, the Americans are not going to disappear from the region, because they have to defend their interests in the Middle East and look after the anti-missile shield. Even if the Obama administration has wiped the slate clean and the White House is ready to give Russia the benefit of the doubt, the reinforcement of the alliance with the United States remains the best security option, better than joining the Paris-Berlin-Moscow axis.

No doubt we will be conscious of yet another historical irony when the Russian troops that were posted here in the communist era return to Romania in their new role as "advisers" on the installation of the new anti-missile shield.

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European defence on the back burner
Barack Obama is coming to the NATO summit in Lisbon on 19 and 20 November “to mediate the conflict between Merkel and Sarkozy”, announces i. The Portuguese daily explains that nuclear deterrents are one bone of contention between the two leaders: “Germany thinks NATO ought to set an example in disarmament, while France thinks the nuclear option is vital to Europe’s future.”

This disagreement is one of several that might nip the European defence scheme in the bud. “From the Franco-British summit in London to the North Atlantic summit in Lisbon, the French defence policy seems to be scuppering Europe’s every ambition in the space of a fortnight,” writes political scientist Louis Gautier in Le Monde. Following the military cooperation deal with London signed on 2 November, Paris “is turning its back on European defence”. “Struggling as it is to fund their own armies, France and the UK have opted to team up in what may be a vain hope of prolonging their military leadership in Europe.” But their deal “runs counter to the European spirit” in that it “moves France away from Germany, our partner (in matters of armament as well)” laments the professor, “at the very time when Germany is busy overhauling its whole defence system”, i.e. professionalising its army.
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End of the west is coming, true. But it is no closer then the death of the East.

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Some of it is true,France and Germany allready regret the One Europe idea.Idont think the EU will have a long lasting life.They are planning ahead,the US is allready in financial trouble which means that they cant just be there if they are needed anymore.GB,France and Germany are thinking of a future without the US i think.Russia is gaining its power back.


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Europes problem is they have a ageing population. within a generation they wont b able to afford social services 4 their aged people. their governments tried to solve the problem through immigration, but with all the anti immigration propaganda by the right wing fringe groups (politicians like Got wilders arnt fringe anymore) its dificult for the parties in power to act on the problem.
now that the EU nations have hit major financial problems its only going to compound this demographic problem

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What im having trouble getting my head around is why did European countries plan on going to war with Libya when they have such dire economic problems. recent news articles state that the English and French had special forces on the ground in Libya 6 months b4 hostilities broke out, training the rebels. u would think with their dire economic problems the last thing they would want is a expensive war, that could send even more refugees into Europe... very confusing

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Lazoglu,i think Libya is the best option to not be reliant on the Saudis for oil and gas,English,French and the Italians have allready invested big there.They planned ahead,maybe they made deals with the rebels before.The only bad thing now is for Turkey,the French will have big influence on the new gouvernment.Refugees can be sent back,and the deals they made covers the expenditures.


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What can I say, the world belongs to those who plan ahead. West is not dead, if anything, it will renew itself with new leadership of the world and stop China and India on their track, but I could be wrong.


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[quote="farstar"]What can I say, the world belongs to those who plan ahead. West is not dead, if anything, it will renew itself with new leadership of the world and stop China and India on their track, but I could be wrong.[/quote]

I agree the west isnt dead but it will be a shadow of what it was in many respects. The Asian centric world is powering ahead and has so much undeveloped potential. The wests main problem is that what we called their fringe right wing politicians 15 years ago have become the main parties in Europe today. they used a racist agenda, created a fear mongering platform to get them a audience but as Europes percentage of world wealth and production was eroded by asia's rise. The audience for these right wing politicians grew.
The wests other problem is that their population growth is well below zero and without immigration they wouldnt have enough young people paying taxes to support people on govenment payments. so as they take in immigrants they exasparate the racizm problem. They will also change drasticly on a political level as the ratio of children from immigrant background to white/christian european background changes

A good book to read is The Next 100 Years: A Forecast for the 21st Century by George Friedman. i think his forecasts have now become way off the mark but he presents several factors, trends and statistics which havnt been changed as a result of the arab spring that will shape the coming 50 years. These variables that he lists gives us great tools to forcast the direction and problems the world and especialy the west will encounter.
He has a wild forcast for Turkey, but the recent events around the world have made his forecasts for Turkey generaly obsolete

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