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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:54 am 
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Does anybody else see a strangeness in Turkiye being asked to take action in Syria but not getting any support in Nothern Iraq?


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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:15 am 
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^^ That's just international politics.
Whats happening in Syria is nothing new. The baath party have done the same thing since its coming to power. No preparations are being made for either sanctions or military action by either the West, NATO or Turkey.
While Turkey was a developing country, major powers used the PKK to weaken Turkey and keep Turkey as a secondary player in the M/E. now that Turkey is becoming the economic, financial, industrial and military leader in this region, the Wests ability to lets say "hamstring" Turkey is diminishing rapidly and as Turkeys soft and hard power increases the states that formerly used the PKK to hold us in our place are finding it difficult to maintain such policies, but old habits die hard.

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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:21 am 
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Turkey seizes Syrian ship with weapons - PM Erdogan

Turkey has seized a Syrian-flagged ship loaded with weapons, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said.

He did not say where or when the vessel was stopped, but vowed to confiscate any arms shipments for Syria coming through Turkish waters or airspace.

Mr Erdogan has repeatedly criticised Syrian President Bashar al-Assad over his government's violent crackdown on street protesters.

Last week, Mr Erdogan said the era of oppressive dictators was over

Contacts cut off

"Turkey has arrested a ship flying the Syrian flag and carrying weapons," Mr Erdogan said in New York where he attended the UN General Assembly, Turkey's Anataolia news agency reports.

"If in the future arms shipments (to Syria) are made by air or land, we will stop and seize them," he added.

News of this latest incident marks a hardening in relations between two formerly friendly countries, the BBC's Matthew Well in New York reports.

Ankara has grown increasingly impatient with Damascus' refusal to discuss political reforms, our correspondent says.

Earlier this week, Mr Erdogan told reporters that Turkey no longer had any contacts with the Syrian leadership and warned of sanctions.

Ankara also hosted a conference of Syria's opposition groups earlier this month.

Foreign reporters are not being allowed in to Syria so news organisations are largely dependent on unverified amateur video and reports by rights groups.

According to the UN, more than 2,200 people have been killed in Syria since anti-government protests began more than five months ago.

The government says hundreds of its personnel have been killed.

The government insists that it has a political reform programme in place, but opposition leaders say there can be no free and fair elections while the ruling Baath party is in power.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15044314


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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:39 pm 
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123456 wrote:
Very good analyzed Lazoglu,i think you are right.I allways see Iran more as a danger to Turkey then as a friend,thats why i keep saying we need to be a nucliar power.


Fully support Turkey getting nuclear weapons. It needs them to be the main man in the Middle East.


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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:46 am 
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Hello everyone, just came back to quote from my post in this thread on Sept. 04:

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.... burning Iran's hand in Syria would be a peace of cake and a nice little game for the West and Israel. It may be a little destabilizing, but really nothing serious, I think. If anything it will strengthen Iraqi Sunni hand, who might take part in the Syrian melee and thus Sunni's will even stop their violence in Iraq. So there is many regional angles to this brewing conflict. Assad has a big Alawi army but there are many Sunni soldiers who may defect and unfortunately this will turn into sectarian war. Assad dug this grave for his entire Alawi clan to go down unfortunately, it will be ugly. Syrian Sunni's are not going to give up at any cost, specially after Libya. They are ready to die, whether they die demonstrating or fighting back, makes no difference to them any more.


And Turkey will get its hand dirty after all. Things seem impossible but when enough price is paid in blood, then the impossible becomes possible. In this case the price so far was just about 10,000 Sunni blood, but it will pale in comparison to what the price will be eventually. We are witnessing a true geopolitical shift in the region and the victims will be Alawi's and Christians of Syria, mostly, as their existence will be threatened in a sectarian civil war, just as it happened in case of Iraqi Sunni's and Christians. Overall Sunni's will come out ahead and Shia's will once again loose their brief 15 minutes of fame. It will be wiser for Shia and other minority groups in the region to accept reality and predominance of Sunni's and not fight back in revenge in a loosing battle. History, unfortunately is not on their side, any more.

Instead of siding with China or Russia or India, for Shia Iran, it will be better to forget about this futile power struggle with Sunni's and improve their relations with fellow Muslims.

Russia will be wiser to join in an expanded EU and all Muslims should be forever wary about Muslim-hating India. The real choice for Muslims will be to choose between China or the West, when and if a new cold war shapes up between these two sides. I am still betting on the West to win, but victory is not guaranteed at this point, unless this collection of geographically spread out nations get their act together and unite rather quickly and specially important is whether they can bring the Russian bear back in their camp.


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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:03 am 
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Correction: Syrian christians may not suffer as much, if they sit on the fences and not overtly side with Assad regime and the Alawite security forces. At some point the christians should decide which side they are on and the sooner they decide the better it will be for them as a group.


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 Post subject: Re: Should Turkey undertake a humanitarian intervention in S
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:34 am 
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123456 wrote:
Do you have any links where i can see what thermobaric weapons are Lazoglu?Never heard of them.


Israel already has and develops such weapons.
For example Nimrod missle warhead:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod_(missile)


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